October 10th, 1871.

TO TIMBER DEALERS AND OTHERS.

GOYTREY, MONMOUTHSHIRE.

TO BE SOLD BY AUCTION, BY

MR. JOHN PHILPOT,

At the Clarence Hotel, Pontypool, on

THURSDAY, the 2nd day of NOVEMBER, 1871, at Two o’clock in the afternoon, subject to the conditions of sale to be then produced;

THE following COPPICE WOODS standing and being in the Parish of GOYTREY, in lots, viz. :—

LOT l.-The Fallage of all that valuable Coppice Wood, situate on the Walnut Tree Farm, near Penpellenny, in the parish of Goytrey, containing by admeasurement 6a. 3r. 26p.

LOT 2.—The Fallage of all that valuable Coppice Wood, situate on the above Farm, containing by admeasurement 28a. 2r. lOp.

The Woods are of about 14 years standing, and will be found of superior quality and growth, and are specially worthy the attention of dealers.

The Timber and Oak Stores will be reserved. The Woods are within three quarters of a mile of Nantvderry Station on the Newport and Hereford Railway.

Mr. Daniel Tedman, tenant of the Farm, will show the Lots, and for further particulars apply to the Auctioneer, Market House Chambers, Pontypool; or at Nantyderry House to Charles Watkins, bailiff to the Rev. Thomas Evans.

Oct. 10,1871. 

 March 30th, 1872.

Goytrey, Monmouthshire.

TO BE SOLD BY TENDER,

ABOUT 235 OAK AND OTHER TIMBER TREES,

The above are on the Walnut Tree Farm, near Penpellenny, and within half-a-mile of the Nantyderry Railway station.

Tenders to be sent to Mr. JOHN PHILPOT, Auctioneer, Pontypool, on or before the 6th day of April next, of whom full particulars may be obtained.

August 15th, 1874.

THE

GOYTREY WELL CASE.

Examination continued.

John Williams said, I am a farmer now living near Usk; I formerly lived in Goytrey; left there in April last; have known the parish 27 years; am 46 years of age; I managed a farm for Mr. Logan, called Penwern; I know the well in question Penwern is from half a mile to three quarters from the well; lived ten years in the farm; some of the land was within 80 yards of the well; everybody in the neighbourhood went to the narrow field well for water; John Prosser, of Penpellenny, went 26 years ago with a cask and cart; I knew many cottagers who went to the well for water; have gone with my horse and cart to the well to wet straw for thatching and took cattle to the pool close under the well; knew there were stones in front of the well, where they stepped for water, and a flat stone where they stood to dip for water; I do not think the flat stone was a yard long; never knew of anyone being prevented taking water until recently; Mr. Evans had a drain cut through the well in draining the land. About two years’ ago, I went to Mr. Evans in January, 1873, and said “I hoped he did not mean to stop up the well, as there was no other water to be had.” He said he did not mean to do so. John Collins, who lived in my farm house afterwards, got water from the well; some time after, in April or May, the well was covered over with stones; I went with Sir Joseph Bailey’s agent, Mr. Meyrick, to see the Rector; Mr. Meyrick asked him his reason for stopping up the well, and he said “because of an impudent woman.” Mr. Meyrick told him he must see Mr. Bailey’s rights were not encroached upon. He took Mr. Meyrick to a well at Black Beech; it was at that time filled with dark water. Mr. Meyrick said the water was unfit for use, and Mr. Evans admitted it. Mr. Meyrick asked where the poor people were to get water; he said they could go to the Star well on Mr. Berrington’s land. After some further conversation; Mr. Evans said he intended to sink a well three feet deep. In August last, early in the morning of a Monday, I saw David Bowen with a shovel, and John Jones, the parish clerk, was with him. Bowen was throwing rubbish into the well; there was a bad smell. A cart came there driven by Mr. Evans’ indoor servant; the cart contained broken glass and cow muck; it was tipped into the well; the gate as well as I can recollect was never locked; it was a swing gate fastened with staple and links; the well was fenced to keep geese from it.

By Mr. Dowdeswell: Lived in a cottage in Llanvair when first married; then went to Penwern, Mr. Logan’s farm, which is near the railway, between the church and Waite’s cottage. There was a pool opposite the plaintiff’s cottage; no stream ran into it; I never remember them going to that pool from Waite’s cottage for water; I levelled the ground and filled up the pool in 1859. It was not a spring; on the other side of the road from the narrow field is a sort of coppice or brake. When my cattle were affected with foot and mouth disease two years last fall, and were tacked at the Black Beech, I carried water from the narrow field well for the cattle; I could not get water any where else: never went after water to Twyn Shin well; do not know whether it is dry or not. Witness then enumerated a number of persons he had seen fetching water from the well.

By Mr. Matthews: Mr. Evans drained all round it to try to dry it but missed. The pool I filled up was about 25 yards from the hedge and opposite Waite’s house.

William Williams, of Burgwm: I was born in Goytrey, as well as my father and grandfather. I am 78 years of age, and remember’ the well for 70 years. All the neighbourhood got water from there; there was no water but there in dry weather; it was free to everyone; it was got to by railings instead of a gate when I was a lad; there were five rails one above another and they drew out; carts went to the well for water, the holly bushes were at the back of the well; a path from Penpellennv came along the road from the chain bridge over a watling stile to the well; the flat stone about the well was there when I first knew it; saw my father put the flat stone at the well.

Cross-examined by Mr. Huddleston: Was about eight years old when the stone was put down. His father was in the service of old Mr. Jenkins, who was then tenant of the Walnut-tree farm.

Ann Jenkins said she was 81, had lived in Goytrey all her life, and was never more than three miles from it until now. She had known this well and had drawn water from it for 70 years. She had never known it to be dry, and it had always been public.

Walter Jones said he was 67 years of age, and had lived in the parish of Goytrey all his life. He had always known the well in the narrow field as a public well. It ivas beautiful water, and he had never known the well to be dry.

William Williams, 64, Ann Daniel, 70, Charlotte Morgan, 52, and Isaac Wilks, all gave similar testimony. The latter, in cross examination, said there was a good supply of water from the shute, but it was never pure. There was also a good supply of water from the Black Well, and he had never known it fail, but when other wells were dry he always used to go to the well in the narrow field because it was nearer, and from the Black Well would have been up-hill.

Owen Davies, father of the plaintiff, said he was 86, and had known the well in the narrow field for 80 years. Forty years ago he used to go to it for water. He re- membered once asking permission of Mr. Rees, the tenant of the Farm at the time, to go to the weil for water, and he said there is the well for anybody that likes to go to it. When the well was stopped up he went to the rector and told him it would be a very bad thing for the poor if the well were stopped up. Mr. Evans said it should be shut up if his daughter did not send her three children back to school.

Ann Evans, who lived for eleven years in the house occupied by plaintiff before the latter went there; Thos. Roberts, Abraham Williams, James Cobner, and Mary Davies, also gave evidence of a public use of the well at various times in the past 50 years.

Lieut,-Col. Byrde said he lived at Goytrey and was a J.P. in the county. He knew the well up to 1834 and since 1860. He had seen many people going to the well and looked upon it as a public well.

Mr. Huddleston: You and Mr. Evans are the only two gentlemen residents in the parish?

Witness: We are.

Mr. Huddleston: And you are not on very good terms with each other?

Witness: Mr. Evans is not on very good terms with me (laughter). I don’t profess to be on bad terms with him.

Charles Watkins said he was a servant in the employ of the Rev. Thomas Evans. By his master’s orders he had the well in the narrow field filled up with stones. When it was re-opened he had it filled up again by his master’s orders. The well was about a foot deep. The well was opened by the neighbours, and then they went to it again for water. He had to get jt filled up again several times. The last time was on the 17th August. On that day his master said he was to bring the men and get the stuff from the little houses to put into the well. He told Mr. Evans he hoped he would not do that, and Mr. Evans said he was determined to do it; they had annoyed him so. He objected to do it, and so did the other workmen. Next day he found the well had been filled up with stones. It was done by the workmen he supposed., The men kept piling up stones on the well for six or seven days.–Cross examined by Mr. Huddleston: Was bailiff to Mr. Evans at the time, and received 15s. per week; left after that and went to Col. Byrde, at 18s. per week; the other workmen were present, their names were, James Lewis, Wm. Price, and John Jones; defendant said the same to them as he did to me; they objected to do it, and defendant said, “You must strike, then,” and they did strike.

Police-constable Allen, No. 19, M.C., said he was present two or three times when the well was opened. He saw it being filled up in June. Saw a large stone put in that was nearly enough to fill the well. Did not hear Mr. Evans give the stone any name. He was present on the last occasion that the well was opened. It appeared to have been filled with privy soil, horse dung, broken glass, and bushes, over that had been a heap of stones. It was a large heap and some people said there must have been a thousand tons there.–Cross-examined: Was present at the well by request of Mr. Evans. for the purpose of keeping the peace.

Mr. Jeremiah said he was a butcher, living at Goytrey, and for 40 years had known persons to use the well. He saw the stones removed from the well three times, and every time the water was there as before.—Cross-examined: Married John Williams’s sister; used to supply the rectory with some butcher’s meat –to the extent of £80 or £90 a year at one time; did not know exactly when he ceased to supply the rectory.

This was the plaintiff’s case.

THE DEFENCE.

Mr. Huddleston, in opening his defence, gave a total and positive denial, to the imputations which had been made against Mr. Evans. There was no proof of any private right. He submitted that there was no public right proved, and said he did not believe there was any spring at all After going through and commenting upon the points of the evidence given by the witnesses for the plaintiff, he stated the nature of the evidence he intended to call, and read an affidavit made by Rees Rees to the effect that he occupied the Walnut Tree Farm, and was living there 30 years ago. While there no one claimed a right to go across his land to the pool in the narrow field. There was no entrance to it from the road. The only entrance to it was through a field gate by the side of the brake. People had asked his permission to go into the field to get water from the well, and he occasionally gave them permission. The learned counsel pointed out how that corroborated the evidence of Owen Davis, who had said he never went to the well for water until he had asked permission to do so.

The following witnesses were then called:-

Mr. T. D. Steele said he was an engineer, carrying on business at Newport, and he had known the parish of Goytrey for more than 30 years. The plan produced was made in his office, and it was a copy of the tithe map. He had himself marked the wells on the plan, also the situations of the houses. There were plenty of spring wells in the parish, and he knew the position of a good many of them. There was no village in the parish. The houses were scattered all about. The distance from this cairn of stones to the farthest boundary of the parish was about two miles. There were houses very near the boundary. He examined this spot last Monday. There was now a heap of stones, and if a permanent spring existed there it would show itself through the stones. The ground around the cairn was all dry, but there were appearances of a boggy nature. He examined the mouth of a drain at the bottom of the field, and no water was coming from it. Looking to the direction of the drain, which appeared to pass close by the cairn he should expect, if a spring existed there, to find water coming from the mouth of that drain.

John Hodgson said he was assistant to Mr. Steele. He had measured the distance from plaintiff’s cottage to the different wells. There was a well at 720 yards, another 36 yards from it on the same road. From the cottage to the cairn of stones was 724 yards. From Penpellenny to the wooden shoot carrying water over the railway was 466 yards. There was an ample supply of water when he was there. From Penpellenny to the cairn of stones was 720 yards, measured from the schools. From the same spot to the black well was 763 yards. There was also plenty of water there, and at the other places he had mentioned.— Cross-examined: It was more than a mile from Wait’s cottage to the black well; had never carried a bucket of water a mile.

Thomas Edmund George said he was a land valuer at Newbridge. In the autumn of 1870 he was instructed by Mr. Walters to make a valuation of the Walnut Tree Farm. He took a tracing of the farm from the parish map, and then went over the land in company of the tenant. In a pasture piece, numbered 687a, he found water for cattle, but no spring. A brake separated this field from the next. There he found water for cattle, also in the next field close by the railway. The tenant told him there was water at that spot all the year round. He afterwards sold the land to Mr. Evans for £1,800 and something. He found no spring, and there was no footpath from the road into the field where there was a pool for watering cattle.—Cross-examined: Could not recollect any stones at either of the places where he saw water; did not notice a holly tree.

William Jones, labourer, said after the well had been opened three or four times he had to assist in filling it up again. They first of all got two or three buckets of soil from under an archway, where cattle went through, and they put that stuff into the pool or reservoir that had been opened. Mr. Evans had not given them instructions to put that filth into the well. They did that without instructions.–Cross examined: Was one of the men who went in the night to do something to the well; Bowen and Harding were also there; volunteered to assist in filling up this well; did not know when Mr. Evans asked him to volunteer, and did not know that he was asked to assist because John Jones and other men had refused to do what Mr. Evans wanted; believed that a quantity of the broken glass and filth that was put into the well came from Nantyderry House (Mr. Evans’s); was his own idea, that of putting in the filth from under the arch; did it because he had been so annoyed by children hooting him, and calling out “water, water;”  they did it, he supposed, because he was a tenant under Mr Evans; had beer given him by Mr. Evans whilst he was filling up the well; was no bad smell from the stuff from Nantyderry House–Re-examined. Mr. Evans had nothing at all to do with putting the filth into the well.

Richard Bowen said he was with the last witness when the well was filled up. Mr. Evans never gave any instructions about putting in the filth.

John Harding, indoor servant, said he helped to carry a bucket of filth from under the arch and put it into the well. His master knew nothing about that.

Thomas Evans, the defendant, said he was rector of the parish of Goytrey, and had been for upwards of 30 years. It was not with his knowledge or consent that the filth was put into the well. Watkins’s statement about the nightsoil was a monstrous falsehood. He purchased the Walnut Tree Farm in 1871. Had known the narrow field for 30 years. Never knew of a footpath to the waterpool. There was no trace of a footpath from the road to the pool when he bought the farm. Never heard of any right to go to that pool for water. The field was a very boggy one, and there was a wet brake below when he bought it. He cleared away the brake, and proceeded to drain the land. He began these alterations about April, 1872. When the draining was begun his attention was called to this pool. It was close by the brake, and the brake was full of holes. There was no spring in this pool because he tried it. He found that the water in the pool came from an old land drain, and he was told if he cut off that drain he would soon find no water in the pool, He had found that no water came. He had what water remained taken out as close as possible, and then he was satisfied there was no spring. He finished the fencing in about a year and a-half after the completion of purchase. In April, 1873, John Wiiiiams called on him to get a bill settled, and he then said he hoped witness would not close up that place so that it could not be opened in dry seasons. He told Mr. Williams it was not his intention to do so. It would be filled in such a manner that it could be re opened. He never heard any claim of a right. In June of the same year he saw plaintiff getting over his fence. Asked her what she wanted, and she said she was going for water. Asked her if she had permission. She said “No, and she did not mean to ask for any.” He turned to Price, and asked him if he heard that. It was the first he had heard of any right, and he told the woman she should not under these circumstances go there for water. The conversation then took a different turn, and he accused her of ingratitude. She said something about his not giving her work, and he told her if he gave her work she could send her children back to school. She then said she would not. He had the pool filled up the same night. It had been closed up before that, but he had it re-opened for the cattle.—Cross-examined by Mr. Matthews: Was by cutting off the drain he got rid of the water from the pool; had never examined the place before June, 1873; could not tell that there had been an unfailing supply of water in the pool for 60 or 70 years during the driest summers; the pool had been shut up once before; saw the water bubbling in it, and was told that it came from a drain he had previously put in; the pool was closed up again within a week, and it was only opened once after that; did not know that on the 18th August his men were going to fill up the well very early in the morning; had not been round to the workmen about it on the previous Saturday; gave general directions to his servant; saw the broken bottles that were taken to the well from his house; did not see any of the filth with the bottles that had been spoken of; so far as he knew’there was no filth; ordered the broken bottles to be put into the heap of stones, to produce a de- terrent effect upon those who said they would open it 100 times; did not cause it to be known that the broken bottles had been put there; had never seen any one fetching water from that place, but had heard they did so in dry seasons heard it from the tenant; did not know that it had been used as a public well; re-opened this pool in the narrow field because he could not get enough from the well in the bank; did not think there was a bucket of water in the pool when it was last covered; did not think he told Mrs. Waite she should go to the well if she would send her children back to the parish school; did say something to her to test her sincerity; promised she should have water if she would withdraw the right she had set up; what he said to the woman about sending her children to school had nothing to do with the question of water; the height of the heap of stones would be about nine feet.

Thomas Prosser said he was a small farmer. His grandfather bought this cottage that Mrs. Waite lives in. The cottage has been his since his grandfather’s death, about 10 years ago. He has known the cottage all his life. The cottagers used to be supplied from the well in the Wern, a field on the opposite side of the road to the cottage. After that was stopped up the cottagers used to get water from the Black Beech well. Never knew of a well in the narrow field, or of a footpath to it. Never knew the well at Black Beech to be dry until now. He knew no right that his tenants had to get water from the narrow field.

William Phillips, farmer and valuer, said some years ago he made a valuation of some land in Goytrey parish, for railway purposes. He made a valuation of the narrow field There was water in the field. He did not consider it a well, but he gave compensation for the loss of water. Any part of the field was a swamp, but there was no well there.

William Bevan, said he used to live at Coldbrook Cottage. He used to get water for his parents from the well in the Wern and the Black Beech well. Never went to the narrow field for water.

Mary Ann Morgan, Elizabeth Bowen, William Matthews, William Williams, John Harris, Wm. James, and Hannah Jenkins were also called to prove there was an abundant supply of good water in the other wells, and that they had never known of any public right to, or common use of, the water in the narrow field.

Thomas Waters, of Caerphilly, owner of the farm before Mr. Evans, said during the time he knew the farm, over 30 years, he never heard of any public right to take water from the narrow field. Rees Rees, of Cwmbran, made a deposition which was put in. he being too ill to appear. It stated that he occupied the Walnut Tree Farm eleven years, and left about 30 years ago. During his tenancy there was no path to the well, and no right of public way to it. Occasionally in dry summers people had asked him for permission to take water from the pool in the narrow field. There was a well under an ash tree by the bank in an adjoining field, and it was from that well his household obtained their water supply.

Alfred Fabian, schoolmaster, of Goytrey. said in July, 1873, he was present when the well by Black Beech was tested. They found eleven springs running into the well, and there was a yield of about 31 gallons of beautiful pure water everv five minutes.

Nathaniel Price, aged 72, said he had known the parish of Govtrey 40 years. He had since drained the field for Mr. Evans and found no spring there. He had never known people go to the narrow field for water. There was a well of good water by the Black Beech, and he had never known it fail. He was one of the men who worked with Charles Watkins as stated, but he had never heard the rector give any directions about putting night soil into the well.

John Jones said he helped to get stone to put in the well, and he never at any time heard the rector give directions for putting night soil into it.

Wm. Edgar said he had lived at Goytrey 25 years, and he never heard of any right to take water from a pool in the narrow field. There was a track for the creatures, but no bound path. He never saw a well in the narrow field and never saw anyone going there for water. He had seen Louisa Waite and the tenant who preceded her, going to the other wells for water.

Edmund Dixon, another old resident, was called to prove that 15 years ago he put in a drain, which led the water from the upper ground into this pool. The pool was in a bogary place.

His Lordship said if they could have gone to the spot, and then examined the witnesses at the nearest public-house, tney might have settled this matter in about six hours.

Mr. Huddleston expressed his willingness to leave the whole question to his lordship’s decision. He thought it was the onlv way ot restoring peace.

His Lordship said he must decline to take it out of the hands of the jury, but if he had known what was coming, he should have suggested a visit to the spot.

Mr. Huddleston said he was afraid whichever way the verdict of the jury might go, it would only lead to more trouble; but if his lordship would consent to settle what should be done, there might be an end of it.

Nothing could be arranged, and the case proceeded.

William Pardoe spoke to working with the last witness in draining this land for Mr. Logan about 16 years ago. He gave very similar testimony to that of Edmund Dixon.

James Dix. an elderly gentleman, said he was a connection of Col. Byrde’s, and forty years ago he used regularly to go shooting over this narrow field. A gutter across the lane conveyed the water into it from the wood above. He remembered the place very well, because on one occasion his horse put a foot into the gutter and fell.

This being all the evidence.

His Lordship made certain suggestions to the counsel, and after a consultation, Mr. Mathews said his clients had decided to consent to the withdrawal of a juror and to waive all questions of victory or triumph, if Mr. Evans would agree to provide a good and sufficient supply of water for the use of the parishioners, at his own expense, and upon terms to be decided by his lordship.

Mr. Huddleston said his client was perfectly satisfied to leave the matter in the hands of his lordship, who had heard the evidence of both sides. Whatever his lordship might think fair and reasonable, and even generous, Mr. Evans would be willing to do, and would in all probability have done so before if he had been appealed to in a proper spirit. If this was agreed to Mr. Evans would leave the court without any feeling of hostility towards anyone, and he hoped that no such feeling would be shown towards him.

His Lordship thought it better for all parties that these arrangements should be made, and that no verdict should be given. It did away with the sense of triumph or victory, and brought out the good feeling of both sides. His suggestion was that Mr. Evans should trace back the water supply to the higher ground, and put in a place by the end of the old culvert where it joined the road. He thought water might be found there in sufficient abundance for all the wants of the parish. He quite exonerated Mr. Evans from any parlicipation in the matter of putting filth into the well, and thought that some too ready instruments thought they were doing what was extremely clever when, in fact, they were doing a very bad act. If Mr. Evans had a right to stop up the well, he had a right to put over it a cairn 9ft. or 90ft., if he so pleased. Whether there was water there from the time of Richard I was a difficult question to solve, and it, had not been solved there, so that none could go away and say they had solved it.

A juror was then withdrawn, and the matter made subject to the Judge’s order. His lordship promised to draw up the order when he arrived at Gloucester. [The foregoing is a condensed report of the remarks of the Judge in this case. Want of space obliges us to hold over the verbatim remarks, which shall appear in our next issue.]

More newspaper articles relating to this story can be found here.

Saturday February 13^th 1869.

WHAT IS a JUBBINS —John Richards, David Evans, and William Morgan, school-boys, were charged with assaulting James Jones, and trespassing in the National School, at Goytrey. In this case Messrs. Byrde and Evans did not act as magistrates. Mr. Alexander Edwards, appeared for complainant, and Mr. Greenway for the defendants. The complainant deposed that on January 26th, while the schoolmaster of the Goytrey National School was absent from the dinner school; he was in that school eating his dinner, when defendants, and some 18 or 20 other boys belonging to the Goytrey British School, which was a mile off, rushed into the National School in a body, beat the desks and cupboards with sticks, sprinkled the ink about, dragged him out of the schoolroom, saying he must go back to their school, and then beat and kicked him. In cross-examination, complainant said that the British boys called them the “Goytrey Infants,” and they called the British boys “Goytrey Jubbins;” which meant Goytrey donkeys, that they (the National boys) got upon the desks, &c., themselves, and that the boy who struck him with a stick was named John Morgan, not one of the defendants. Another lad gave similar evidence. Mr. Greenway submitted that this was a ridiculous affair, which ought not to have been brought into court, and that the boys would make friends again directly if left to themselves. Mr. Berrington stopped the case, and said the Bench thought that the schoolmasters might deal with it by administering punishment where it was wanted. The costs, 24s., were divided.

April 20th, 1901.

GOYTRE BRITISH SCHOOL. Communications were read from Mr. F. G. W. ,Chalklen, formerly correspondent of the Goytre British School, and from the Rev. Richard A. Byrde, with regard to the water supply there. Mr. Charles, as one of the managers of the School, said that a meeting had been held, and although he was unable to be present himself, he understood that it bad-been decided to sink a well on the School premises.